tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8067347124350913735.post819486381730962417..comments2023-05-09T07:46:32.193-07:00Comments on Kyra at the Moment: Sarah Palin - Pathological Liar?Kyrahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08960054079537689148noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8067347124350913735.post-54918156995015852532010-02-17T20:18:44.119-08:002010-02-17T20:18:44.119-08:00Vera,
Yes, although a pathological liar rarely wor...Vera,<br />Yes, although a pathological liar rarely worries about consequences - they simply don't exist in their world. I think you're right that Todd follows along and tries to "fix" things and his lies are not so much compulsive lies, as strategic lies. Both pathological and compulsive liars need to lie, I'm not sure Todd has a psychological need to lie, no compulsion there other than to cover up for his wife.Kyrahttp://kyrafrost.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8067347124350913735.post-16899171129886281882010-02-17T10:14:00.432-08:002010-02-17T10:14:00.432-08:00Kyra,
Excellent post. This is one point I take o...Kyra,<br /><br />Excellent post. This is one point I take out of it. Chronic liars are strategic and their lies further their goals. They think about their lies, even if they are doing it on the spot. Pathological lairs lie constantly over the most trivial things (and the larger ones) that they can be checked up on and refuted. For them lying is like breathing, so consistent and flagrant that it could be viewed as almost involuntary and unthinking. Each of these conditions can happen on their own. There can be pathological liars that get nothing substantial out of their behaviour. (I am thinking here of people who maddeningly always tell you untruths or stories for no purpose, but are not bad people on the whole - just infuriating.)<br /><br />The pathological liar, however, can also tell strategic lies that furthers their goals on top of their base behaviour of purposeless untruths. The two types of lies are not exclusive. <br /><br />One of the reason Sarah Palin is so confusing to people is she does this combo behaviour - people are expecting one or the other. Todd Palin, on the other hand strikes me as a compulsive liar, by the definition your describe above. He seems to tell the truth when asked about trivial things which don't matter and will even correct the record on what Sarah says. At least he did that with the McCain team, where he became their go to person to see if what she said was accurate. Strategic indeed, because then, when he did lie to cover up what he and Sarah were doing, they trusted him and didn't suspect. He is the one that gave her the credibility and they didn't check the source of their fact checking. <br /><br />Do I have the lying part right?<br /><br />Veravera cityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07380051956155840612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8067347124350913735.post-85642355995354170172009-11-24T14:17:56.998-08:002009-11-24T14:17:56.998-08:00When you have to interact with someone that lies f...When you have to interact with someone that lies frequently, I'm not sure why they lie is as important as that they lie. In the case of Palin, it just adds to the factors that we need to try to figure out what she's all about. Based on the totality of what I have observed, my best guess is that she is pathological.<br /><br />In our day to day lives, a mental health professional would need to find the root of the lying - is it rooted in delusion? a personality disorder? Or is this simply someone with a different moral compass than you or I with no mental health component involved? <br /><br />I would say, that when you are around a chronic liar, unless it is your child (in which case you would have some responsibility to effect some change), all you can do, and should do, is protect yourself as best you can. <br /><br />As in the case of someone with a personality disorder, which is immutable, there are certain behaviors that we must think of our own protection first, and chronic liars certainly fall into that category. That is why Sarah Palin is (or could be) so dangerous if she is successful in her endeavors.Kyrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08960054079537689148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8067347124350913735.post-78266694318012886892009-11-24T13:35:05.785-08:002009-11-24T13:35:05.785-08:00Thanks for another very interesting post. I've...Thanks for another very interesting post. I've been in a situation where I am forced to have dealings with somebody who lies all the time. I had thought of this person as a pathological liar. However, after reading your post, I think on reflection that I am dealing with someone who is goal directed with a motive for lying. Fortunately I don't have to be around the this person so I don't know if there are additional lies for no reason. <br /><br />Family members say this person has a very skewed view of reality... Definitely a person who is externaly oriented. Never own fault for anything. Doesn't seem to understand why people are upset if screwed over by this individual. I never cease to be amazed at whatever the new lie is that this person comes up with to cover for the last incident or lie. But finally starting to be able to predict somewhat what they may do next because of what they need to "fix" or explain for. This person often makes me think of Palin, except I think Palin is actually more erratic, despite Palin being far more financially and professionally successful. But I supposed that might be different if the person I am having to deal with looked like Palin and used it...ArmchairJanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06227611891127796064noreply@blogger.com